Why the opposition to the US troop torture pictures? What’s your take on this whole situation? Weren’t pictures released when this story first broke back in 2004? |
Pictures would be very anti-climactic to the hoopla about torture.
Now if there were racks, and thumbscrews, and lots of blood and gore, that would make the mainstream media happy, but to show what REALLY went on, the public would lose interest immediately! |
What sort of camera do you think Cheney used to take those torture pictures with? Nikon or the disposable Walgreens Fuji Fun Film?
Boy, that new guy sure is sharp as a tack for not releasing them!! |
Nikon? While it's good for close-ups, they tend to break easily.
He probably used something overpriced with the anti-shake feature. |
How do you feel about theses torture pictures taken in Iraq? Note not one person from Iraq was involved in 9/11 not one there where all Iranians,And the amount of guyren and mothers and fathers that have been killed in ther country out numbers any damage that there President ever did.Do you really feel that our military the same why as they did towards the African Americans .
Heres the pics of brutality .
www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_…
God Bless AMerikkka |
1. Why is there an image of a guy with the top of his head blown off?
The point of what they were doing was to get information out of them.
You can't get any information out of a corpse so that single image discredits the whole website and whatever 'message' they were trying to make.
2. Torture doesn't work and I despise the tactics that were used on these people. Water-Boarding IS torture and I won't argue that a lot of what they did crossed a line that should never have been crossed.
BUT
A majority of people claiming "Torture" say things like:
"They made me wear women's underwear in front of a woman."
"They made me stand for 8 hours without a break."
"They knew I was afraid of dogs and they put a dog in the room with us."
A MAJORITY of what is being said is NOT torture. I've been through more in a day of work at a bad job then what these TERRORISTS are claiming happened to them.
3. Why are people screaming about Bush when Nancy Pelosi was kept in the loop? When the Democratically Controlled Congress was briefed on EXACTLY what was going on?
Did the US fu*k up in letting Contractors and untrained military personnel run wild with the idea that physical abuse was ok? Yes... There is no doubt about that... And people need to be punished.
BUT
If you look at the EVERY DAY PRACTICES of the people we are fighting... Even the most horrendous 'torture' used by us is Guy's Play compared to what they do...
Ever hear of the practice of raping a prisoner with a glass coke bottle so that if they are let out, they will have to encounter the object used to violate them on a daily basis?
Being told that your mother is in the next cell being raped by guards because you won't admit to things you didn't do?
Yeah... And WE are the "Evil Animals".
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❀How Ahmad Batebi Survived Torture In Iran
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/0…
Trying to help, Batebi took his friend's shirt off. "To put pressure on the wound. It was bleeding. And so I tried to use his shirt to keep the blood in. Then we took him to the medical facility," he recalled.
After helping his friend, Batebi returned to the protest, and waved the bloody shirt to show what police had done. That's when a photographer took a picture of Batebi that would appear on the cover of The Economist and was seen around the world. Just days after the picture appeared, the government arrested him.
"They took me to a special prison for intelligence. And I was in solitary confinement for several months. After seven or eight months we went to court, but they didn’t tell me where we were going. I was blindfolded, and I thought this was just part of my questioning. They sat me in a room and opened my blindfold," Batebi told Cooper.
That's when a judge showed him The Economist. Batebi told Cooper it was the first time he had seen the magazine. He says the judge told him, "With this picture, you have signed your own death sentence."
"He said, 'You have defaced the face of the Islamic Republic that is a representative of God on earth. You have defaced it around the world. And therefore you have to be sentenced to death.' It took less than three minutes," Batebi recalled.
Batebi says he spent 17 months in solitary confinement, trapped in a tiny cell not much bigger than a bathtub. "They kept the light on 24 hours a day. You have no information about the outside. You have no contact with the outside, and after a while you become mentally disoriented. This kind of torture doesn’t affect you physically, but it does affect you mentally and emotionally." "It can drive you crazy," Cooper remarked. "Yes," Batebi agreed.
"They kicked me in the teeth and broke them. There was a toilet that was stopped up with feces. They put my head into the toilet," he said. Batebi told Cooper the bottom of his feet and his back were beaten with a cable, and that his testicles were beaten as well. Asked how long this went on for, Batebi said, "This happened the whole time I was in solitary confinement. It also happened at other times."
"This is a sadistic government that uses various methods that are increasingly and exceedingly cruel and abhorrent," Lily Mazahery, an Iranian-American attorney who helps Iranian dissidents get asylum in the United States, said."
Iran denies having any political prisoners, but she and human rights groups say there are actually hundreds of them. Though she can't prove Batebi's account of torture, she believes him because she knows other prisoners who have also been tortured.
Batebi told 60 Minutes he never knew which days he'd be tortured or which technique they would use. Once he says, they cut him, and rubbed salt in his wounds.
"I hadn't slept for maybe 72 hours. I couldn't think clearly. I was drooling. I wanted to sleep but they would slap me to keep me awake. In the final hours when even the slapping wouldn't keep me up, they cut my arms and hands and put salt in my wounds so the burning would keep me awake."
One day he says he heard his mother's voice outside his cell. He didn't know back then that it was just an audio tape. "I would hear her voice. And I would say, in this place, where there's all this torture and all this pain, they've arrested my mother also. And maybe she's in the prison cell next to me or across from me. And of course this really bothered me a lot."
"The psychological torture is extremely effective. Telling you that your mother has died or your father has passed away or playing recordings of your loved ones being tortured or even raped," Mazahery told Cooper.
Mazahery said women are tortured too.
Human rights groups don't know how much torture takes place in Iran's prisons. But three years ago, Iran's judiciary did publicly admit that torture was used to extract confessions.
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What do the political experts think of Obama's decision not to release the torture pictures? Why do you think? that?
Looking for intelligent answers from all sides. My question is not so much do you agree or not but why does Obama do this in your view? |
He is a coward, a hypocrite, a liar, a plutocrat, he ran saying that these days were behind us. But I voted Nader, I knew that the machines that control both parties hate Democracy, and will not tolerate a transparent government. I just didn't think Obama would acquiescent so quickly.
He argues for the closing of gitmo , saying people should not be detained indefinitely without charges, but denies it to prisoners in Iraq and Afganistan...its all so Bush -like |
Since Obama seems to think that releasing the CIA records and all the Torture pictures they can find shouldn't? he also to be fair to the world appoint a few Taliban leader to his advisory council on human rights and get rid of the idiot Eric Holder in favor of the top ACLU lawyers. He also should put his financial mentor George Soros as head of the banking committee so as to make it easier for Soros to have access to national financial information. |
| Look, Laser and all the rest of you idiot lib-tards, none of the Bush administration will ever see a day of jail (not including Libby). They did nothing wrong according to legal counsel given. Holder said he would not press charges. Any "truth" commission or committee will be unable to find any evidence of criminal activity. This is a symbolic gesture that has more to do with libtards disagreeing with the previous administration than it does with the legality and constitutionality of what took place. Now, libtards have sunk so low that they have to try and ruin anyone that disagrees with them. To make matters worse, we have an idiot president that is literally sharing out playbook with the entire world (including terrorists). I do not know if the libtards can actually see this or if they are still so enamored of their savior that they think he can do no wrong, but our current president is a MORON!! |
Since the release of all the CIA torture memos/pictures show bush is a war criminal? shouldn't he and cheney and rumsfeld ALL be tried as war criminals? We tried/convicted/executed enemies for doing the same thing during WWII and the korean war. |
| We need all the information to be released first. They did break the law and should be persecuted for it. Some people will argue that it saved lives (unproven) and that makes it ok. So the ends justify the means to those people. |
Should the left post the supposed "torture" pictures next to the beheading pictures form the peaceful muslims? I know it will never happen. |
As I recall, at the time of the beheadings of Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong, and Daniel Pearl, our media deemed the photos and videos too atrocious to view on American tv or in American newspapers and/or magazines.
However, they thought the pictures of prisoners being "tortured" were not too extreme for the American public to view.
To me, that indicates that the "torture" wasn't nearly what they were trying to make out that is was.
I'm sorry if others think so, but the acts depicted in those pictures were no where near being as "evil" and the atrocity as the act of decapitation. |
Where on the internet can I find the pictures showing the torture at abu ghraib? the pictures that the soldiers got convicted for because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, how many people were convicted and how high up did the responsibility go? |
an even more disturbing site where the pics would most definitely be:
www.ogrish.com
WARNING: not for the faint of heart. seriously...
The responsibility went up to that general girl person. She got pretty owned in court.
EDIT: I found some: www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2… |
Are you mad at Obama for refusing to release the rest of those Iraqi and Gitmo torture pictures? i really thought this man was gonna be different, but if i go on i guess i'm gonna get in trouble for rambling again
other war generals are saying it's for our safety, and our soldiers safety, but i always heard, and believed the truth will set you free |
I am very upset with this decision. It is completely wrong and really a political thing.
Of course the photos are going to be embarrassing but they are also going to show that this abuse of Iraqis wasn't a one time thing by a couple of rogue soldiers (Lynndie England & buddies at Abu Ghraib) but instead might have been an example that this was really a system of abuse created from above.
Why else do you think Dick Cheney is all over the news with his gloomy predictions about our safety and using "enhanced interrogation techniques" i.e. torture to get valuable information?
Of course torture will work on prisoners. It always does in movies and on 24.
These guys are doing this all to protect their hides. The Bush administration would look criminal if the real truth was allowed to surface but a bunch of the Democrats would look equally as bad for standing by as the Bill of Rights and Constitution were either being abused or disregarded throughout the Bush years
Obama claims releasing these photos would only inflame anti-American sentiment but he doesn't realize the opposite is really the effect. Many in the world hate us because the policies, arrogance and abuse of power of the Bush administration.
Instead of covering up the abuse by refusing to release the photos, he should show that we are a nation that doesn't tolerate that behavior and will show we are above that. We wouldn't torture others because we would expect others to treat our soldiers with the same dignity if they were captured.
Obama is just further proving to those that dislike us that we can be hypocritical since we don't want the "truth" to get out because the "truth" might actually show us in a bad light and in the process upset some people.
Maybe some of the idiots that aren't upset by that "truth" should question themselves and their morality (and their God if they actually believe in one or claim to believe in one) if they aren't upset with the acceptance of torture and the suppression of "truth" in America |
Insane Asylum torture pictures? I am looking for any pictures of patients being tortured or any of the equipment that was used to torture them. I have look at several picture of Asylum's. Any pics would be great.
TIA |
Please....it is (or was) called "treatment".
There weren't many pics, but lots of graphic descriptions.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&sourc…
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www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=19t…
www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=asy… |